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Re: Why Dacron? and thanks guys,

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Leigh Ross

: Leigh, what are the qualities of Dacron that make it your choice of fabrics?

Ok first ,Thanks for all the help guys. And to cover the points.Apart from the cost the Sailrite stuff is definitely no good. Sailcloth is resin impregnated to give it a smooth , windproof no stretch finish. ( My first boat project was was a sailboat http://www.dixdesign.com/coquette.htm Thats me on the deck many years ago. )

Multiple layers of the 3.8 oz dacron seem as weak as a single layer. I used two on my double and it seemed to be penetrated just as easily. I laid two layers on and varnished. Maybe a better paint or epoxy would make the two layers stronger. Or maybe 3 layers . Its certainly easy to work with and cheap. Anyone tried that? I still use the 3.8 oz from Aircraft Spruce for decks. A nice benefit of it I found is that if the skin is deformed by something pushing against it , it can be shrunk taut again even though painted.

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Why Dacron? The main reason is that all the bulletin boards mention nylon sagging and requiring more complex heat shrinking techniques. I ve never tried it but probably will just for the experience. Is the sag problem over rated. Is it easy to shrink? And what paints will stick to it. I have used poly varnish and single part polyurethane paint and latex primer also covered with single part poly paint with sucess. Even sprayed with Krylon for a decent finsh. Is nylon as receptive to finishes or will they peel. I d rather find out here than blow the few remaining dollars in my boat account by buying unsuitable cloth and paints. ( "Only a fool learns by experience , I learn by the experience of others" Otto von Bismark . ) My wife thinks that 8 boats are too many and is making me sell some. She doesnt know I am ordering some plans of a few S+G to convert to SOF. heheheehe

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